More Climate change

[wdyasq]

Best reports I have seen say 'peak' with hit about 2030 and plateau for ~20 years. While the peons (look in the mirror if you ware wondering of who I speak) are bracing for higher costs, the major automotive transportation companies are building plants. It is quite possible (effing sure bet) they know more than a bunch of politicians, failed ones included.

Governments have never been responsible. As far as I know they have never done anything promoting business other than war.

Politicians are quick to blame and slow to accept responsibility. One only has to glance at the 'oil situation' and see they run in a reactive rather than a pro-active mode. They get their life blood from subjecting those who are under their influence to vote for them.

One quick little observation, the government created 'environmental protection'. The blame is on the 'oil companies' for not building refineries. The 'environmental protection' agencies required the addition of MTBE to the gasoline supplies but accept no blame for it getting into the ground water. The problem was known for years before any action was taken.

It seems to me the folks promoting this warming idea are those that are profiting from the regulations and grants attached. I could be right. They may be a bunch of scoundrels. And, all political parties in the US are defiantly guilty.

I suspect any solutions will come from private industry, not government meddling.

Ron

[electrondady1]

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

i'm the guilty party volvo farmer .

i got the link from my son and i'm posting it again.

the way i see things now,

  some were between the hiroshima blast in 1945 and the apollo 11 moon landing in 1969.

mankind's childhood came to an end.

that means

we  take the responsibility on how things are done. how many of us there are ,

 and were we are heading.

not corporations or politicians .

i want a lush, healthy planet.

and a civilization that doesn't fall because it has used up it's resources.

so how do we get there from here?

[finnsawyer]

"so how do we get there from here?"

Cut the human population of the planet in half or by three quarters or....

That's the only way to get back to a healthy lush planet.  Going from six billion to ten or twelve billion people isn't going to do it.  Most of the nice farms that were here when I was a child have been broken up into lots or ten acre parcels.  And a lot of that simply reflects the reality of many children per family.  Of course, nature via viruses may solve that problem for us.

[finnsawyer]

I agree with you about the solutions coming from private industry rather than the Government.  It happens that the auto companies have discovered PM motors.  They have found that if they take things such as the power steering off of the belt they get a small improvement in efficiency.  I suspect that at some point the alternator will be direct drive.  Well, with hybrids it becomes a moot point.

I've wondered in the recent past with crude oil prices near $100 per barrel what is going on at the Alberta Oil or Tar Sands.  Well, a Mining Engineer I know says the journals he reads state they are going great guns in increasing output.  Lucky Canadians.  They get to finance their Socialized Medicine at we American's expense.

[electrondady1]

the tar sands are under the control of american oil companies

as are the politicians the the oil companies have helped put in place .

we pay for our universal health care with our taxes.

the tar sands are at the point were thy are the greatest emitter of co2 in my nation

our prime minister and his government is in a minority position.

his popularity has fallen drastically since the climate change summit in bali

i think we will have a new government by next summer.

[electrondady1]

reducing the population of the world by 50% may be  the only way to give ourselves the time we need .

so what is required ,

a top down edict as initiated in china?

some sort of societal pressure were large families are frowned upon?

a revision in world religions?

war and plague are options but they make for bad t.v.

 

[electrondady1]

i forgot,a distribution system for  free birth control

[disaray1]

 This might work....

   http://www.vhemt.org/

 David

[finnsawyer]

Simply stop trade with China.  See what the consequences of that would be.  Actually, there are many reasons why we should come down hard on the Chinese.  Their human rights record is one.  Their laws regarding trade is another.

[electrondady1]

i'm not ready to join the club!!

[electrondady1]

fin ,

 i agree in princple, whats the point in having human right standards

or health standards or pollution standards or what ever,

if we are going to get in bed with (trade with ) those who do not !

by trading with them we are giving our tacit consent.

now we are as guilty as those that perpetuate these injustices.