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Pebbles

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magnet cutting, drilling
« on: June 06, 2010, 06:34:18 PM »
Hi guys
I salvaged 4 2"x2"x1/2" neo mags , I wont get anymore this size so was wondering if they can be cut and how, (8 1x2s would make a rotor) or drilled . Has anyone done this ? any tricks to it ? is it even possible?
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Re: magnet cutting, drilling
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2010, 07:03:11 PM »
I haven't tried cutting them but I have drilled holes in 64 of them, you need a glass/tile cutting bit and you MUST keep them cool.

This is the sort of drill bits I used http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-6-Piece-Glass-Cutting-Drill-Bit-Set-Kit-Cutter-Bore-/280345140823?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4145df5e57

This is how I did it about a year ago, I inspected them last week and there is no signs of rust at all after a year in very wet conditions

http://www.fieldlines.com/board/index.php/topic,138389.html

I hope this helps
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Re: magnet cutting, drilling
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2010, 03:07:21 PM »
I've tried cuting them.  It was not a very successful experience.  Lots of cooling fluid is needed, and even then my saw got dull at a surprising rate.  Dry thoroughly and re-paint with epoxy primer, then put a second coat over that.
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Re: magnet cutting, drilling
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2010, 08:20:16 AM »
It looks like Russell has the answer to drilling them! :)

Have any of you folks who dream about various magnet shapes ever tried an EDM?
It might not be cost effective in most cases....but here's some numbers to play with:
 Most machine shops with a wire edm charge between 50-75 bucks an hour.
 The beauty about these machines for those unfamiliar is that it uses brass wire and an electrical current to do the cutting....some cut the work submerged under water with a flush and some just simply flush it with water without submerging.....so no overheating is involved in either case

Someone halfway decent at running a wire edm can get about 6 mm of travel a min. on a material thickness of 1 inch thick. The thicker the cut the slower it has to run. Maybe a little bit faster more if a slight bowing is of no concern ( it might have a slight taper or out of squareness) of about .003-005 thousandths over the 1 inch surface. If the operator is really skilled and knows how to tweak the parameters and the current technology of the machine is the latest and greatest...you can proably push it even faster without too many wire breaks.
 
 The beauty about the wire EDM is that you can cut some really intricate shapes with them...often along 5 axis ( x, y, z, u & v)...this might be benefical for those who like those tighter clearances in the standard electrical motor type of setups.


They also have a "Hole Popper" which works off the same technology, it is for punching through material which is already hardened, such as  salvaging an expensive part by "burning" out a tap which has been broken off.  These machine also use brass for cutting and a water flush. the tube is hollow and rotates like a drill while forcing water through the center of the tube....they can range from about .006 in diameter to 1/4 in in diameter. If setup correctly some of these hole poppers can really hum right along...a one inch thick piece could probably be drilled in about 30-40 seconds if the paramateres are really tweaked... or 3-5 mins if the operator is having a lazy day.
 I use to use this type of equipment on a daily basis with a company which has since closed down. ( globalization...offshored to some remote location)
 I would love to have my hands on this equpment again and give it a go on some neo magnets and report back in.
 Often I would have two of three of theses machines running at once, but also some sat idle when the work load was light...it would have been a perfect opportunity to tinker around with some neo's while one sat idle....groan
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Re: magnet cutting, drilling
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2010, 08:57:39 AM »
I have never had the need to cut a neo but if I did I think I would try a diamond disc cutter of the type used to cut tiles or glass, again with plenty of coolant. The most important thing is to keep them cool or you end up with non-magnetic neo paper weights.

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Re: magnet cutting, drilling
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2010, 10:38:58 AM »
Hi

I have tried cutting NEO and ceramic magnets with a diamond disc cutter, not that successfully, and I am told the dust can be bad stuff to breath. I don't know about the brass wire process, it sound like a process used some yours ago, arketron, for putting holes through extrusion dies, but that process needed the substrate to be conductive. I wondered if a water jet cutter could be used the magnets could be any shape you want, with all the cooling you want.

Brian.

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Re: magnet cutting, drilling
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2010, 01:21:00 PM »
Here's a "Hole popper" It looks like they are drilling through a 1 inch diameter ball bearing, watch for the sparks as it exits...you can slightly see the electrode!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0kE1butT5I&feature=related

 HA, I found the actual machine I use to run and the program I made!!! It's a little old in the technology level of EDMs, the Agie sprint was a mid-late 80's model, but you could really crank up the flushing and it burn ( cut) a part like a scalded dog moving!
  It was a rack and lever componet for an injection mold... Whose filiming this I have no idea, it must have been the auctioneer after they closed the plant! But it was the program I made....sorry rascals!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1xVcirUhLk&feature=related ( it's funny though I had told the plant manager a water pump was crapping out before I left....you can hear it start to howl when the guy fires it up... BWAHHAHAHAHA,I guess the old tight wad never got it replaced!

 Here is the componet being burned and removed.....H-13 metal....however it shows the odd shapes you can make. ( same machine....my dog-on program too!....grrrrrrrr) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUYqJ4IKF6g&feature=related
 
For those who really need odd-ball shaped magnets, edms might be the way to go!
 All the best,
 Gavin

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Re: magnet cutting, drilling
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2010, 10:26:54 AM »
   When cutting the long Neo disks I had, I used my 5 inch angle grinder, and one of those thin "zip" disks.
Lots of water for cooling.  It works well, feed slow, etc. 
    I made a nozzle to direct the water flow right at the area where the cutting disk meets the Neo.  Even the cuttings
were still magnetic, so I don't think there is any strength loss due to heat.
    On a caution note, the horse stood on the hose while I was doing one, and the resulting flame plume was impressive.
I think I read somewhere that the dust can be pyrophoric.  (spelling?)  Also not good to breath.  I tried diamond disks as
well, and found that life is too short to use them.  (very slow).
   Just my experience, hope it helps.
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