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Fall 2009


By DanB, Section Wind
Posted on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 11:11:35 AM MST
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During our August Workshop we lowered my 20 foot diameter wind turbine, removed the blades and put them on our neighbors new 20' machine.  Scotty had some old blades off a Jacobs machine, the set was originally 23' in diameter but one had been cut down to just over 10' long so we cut the others down the same way.  I'd have preferred to cut the ends off square I think, but we had to match what had been done to the first one so we did.  Pictured above is the 'scrap' off one of the blades.

We fit them to the same steel hubs that my old blades were bolted into.  These blades are nicely made out of laminated sitka spruce, they weigh about 35 pounds each... my old cedar ones weighed about 55 pounds each.  Mine were cedar  - had they been sitka spruce I expect they might have weighed more like 70 pounds each.  The jake blades are very slender compared to what I had on there.  They're about 8 inches wide and have very little twist or taper.  We thought this would be an interesting experiment to see how they ran on my machine vs what we designed for it ~ our thinking was if they worked as well, or better... then in the future we could get by with much simpler, lighter, and less expensive blades.

Pictured above is how my machine looks now!  We've been running with these blades on it for about two months now.  We all know these are good blades ~ but it's a good example of 'matching the blades to the load'.  On my machine, these work great in low winds.  They are a bit slower to start up but performance in low winds seems every bit as good as it used to be.  In higher winds however they stall miserably.  To date, this fall we've had a few wind storms with winds well over 50 mph ~ in the past this machine would've been peaking at over 6kW (max peak I've seen is 9.5kW) and producing sustained output of 4-5kW.  Since these went on I've not seen over 2kW ~ but again ~ in lower winds it does well and overall I don't think I'm getting a lot less energy from it.  For one thing, my batteries dont know what to do with much more than 2kW coming in...  so, in our windy fall season I've still had more than enough energy.  The main affect here is probably just that my shop doesn't enjoy quite as much electric heat as it did in the past.  Another consideration... my wind turbine is having a pretty easy life these days!  I don't worry about it at all in high winds anymore.  A good 'next' experiment will be to open the airgap on the alternator a fair bit and let these run faster - I expect that will make these Jake blades happier.  

Last month we gave our 6th workshop at the Rocky Mountain Sustainable living fair.  12 students built a 10' diameter wind turbine in 8 hours over the course of two days.  It came out nicely... we had lots of fun.  DanF and I also gave a 1 hour 'intro to windpower' talk in one of the workshop tents.  This is a really fun fair in Fort Collins, CO ~ it reminds me of the MREA fair, but somewhat smaller.  Always fun though - interesting booths, good food, good music etc... unfortunately we usually see very little of it because were so busy!

Pictured above is a magnet rotor from a machine we built about 5 years ago with a friend.  It was exactly like Matt's 15 foot wind turbine.  Matt's has been surprisingly reliable but it did require some rebuilding last year (after being in the air for 4 years with no maintenance).  Based on stuff that was failing on Matts we upgraded this machine by banding the magnet rotors, replacing the yaw bearing with one much larger in diameter and much longer, a more robust tail pivot and tail boom.  

There is the machine finished ~ this one went to Scotties to help power his shop.  It's been working well ~ he's reporting sustained output of about 1.5 kW and furling protects it past that.

Pictured above is another machine we built years ago that's just been erected.  This is the 'last' of the volvo brake disk machines, I think it's perhaps 4 years old.  It was built by our neighbor TomH (we have two TomH's up here) ~ it's a 10' diameter, 12 Volt turbine going on a 50' tower about half a mile from here.

Dave B sent us some blades to try out some time ago... we decided to put them on this one.  They started life as a 12' diameter set, I felt bad cutting them down to 10' but TomH needed blades and I had these and have been chomping at the bit to see them fly.

We made up a nice steel hub to fit these blades.  Dave will perhaps remind us what sort of wood these are made from...  they are quite heavy compared to what I'm used to.  Our 10' blades weigh about 4 pounds each, these are about 9.  These have no twist or taper.

There it is flying!  These blades definitely startup more slowly but once they come up to speed they do just fine ~ the performance actually seems very similar to what we experience with our own blades.  This is also (unfortunately) a fairly turbulent site ~ I think the heavy blades have some advantage here though - it seems to keep the machine from yawing around so much in the turbulent winds.  TomH lives in somewhat of a hole... in the winter time he gets about 2-3 hours of solar per day (he has 300W of PV on his roof) ~ and this turbine I expect should have a major impact on his energy situation.

Plenty going on!  One nice thing - of the 14 turbines up here, there have been no problems or failures in a long time ~ and we've had plenty of strong wind.

We still have plenty of other RE projects around here to finish up this summer (darnit... I guess it's winter already) ~ two more machines to get up I hope, a couple to do maintenance on...  a lot of firewood to gather!  TomW's recent post about firewood has me slightly depressed...

Fall 2009 | 5 comments (5 topical)

Re: Fall 2009 (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by TomW on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 01:17:02 PM MST

Dan;


TomW's recent post about firewood has me slightly depressed...

Well, if you stop by I will send you away with all you can haul.

Seriously.

Tom

Ignarus can exsisto rememdium. Sardus est forever




Re: Fall 2009 (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by DanB on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 01:24:05 PM MST

I might have to buy xtra carbon credits if I tote my firewood 900 miles on the roof of a volvo wagon ;-)

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Re: Fall 2009 (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Boss on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 02:36:46 PM MST

Howdy Dan
with the little bit of stuff you have going on, you didn't find time to thin your backyard this Summer? Tisk tisk. I wish my badboy Dodge Cummins Turbo-biodiesel had four wheel drive,

I'd come up and spend a week working your woods in trade for magnets or something.
Yeah, that's my 91 year old father, rev H.S.Rodgers workin the homemade spliter with my brother.
Anyway, maybe in the Spring Kevin and I can come and play in your forest, maybe we'll see the moose this time.  
Brian Rodgers



Re: Fall 2009 (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by gizmo on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 04:34:05 PM MST

Hi Dan

Those blades from Dave B look like the GE222 profile we use a lot here in Australia on our F&P and axial windmills. Even though its a fat profile with no twist or taper, it just seams to work very well. Where those from Royal Fabrication  http://www.royalfabrication.com/ ?

I'll be interested to see how they perform compared to hand carved blades.

Glenn
http://www.thebackshed.com



Re: Fall 2009 (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by Flux on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 12:40:41 AM MST

My experience is that matching is everything. When you have the matching perfect you may be able to see the difference between various profiles and I would expect a scientific profile to be better than a hand carved thing, but you will never see any difference until you have mppt tracking.

Changes in blades do alter the characteristics and if you load at random you will find some blades work better than others. The wider tapered and twisted ones will probably work better in stall mode, the Jakes and the parallel untwisted profiles will need to "get away" at the top end to work properly.  Jacobs managed to get the loading fairly good considering the technology available and they spent a lot of time on their dynamo design, using field saturation and various other tricks to get an optimum load.

Wincharger did virtually no generator design but may have played around with different blade profiles to suit what they had.

Dan has a point about a tame and reliable machine, I have believed for a long time that these machines survive more by stall control than furling and a blade that stalls out harder is less likely to pull through stall in a storm and burn the thing out.

If you tweak the thing to run clear of stall the high wind performance will be an order of magnitude better but you will really have to get it to furl reliably.

For small machines I see no justification for running stalled with poor performance but with things above about 14ft most people have enough power not to need the high wind output and a safe and quiet machine that does what you need without going frantic has a lot to be said for it at least for battery charging. For grid tie or heating then it's a different story.

Flux

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