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monte350c

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Rotor #2 for 1.5 hp conversion
« on: February 26, 2005, 04:22:14 PM »
Hi all,


I had an odd idea a while back about trying a different style of rotor in an induction motor conversion.


So I decided to try it on this 1.5 hp motor that I already had some baseline numbers for with a 'normal' magnet conversion.


Here's a photo of the assembly - diassembled!





And another:





The shaft is made from 316 stainless (which is non magnetic). The four poles are mild steel.


In the next pic one row of magnets is in. The slots where the magnets go were milled to .496 " which means the magnets have a 4 thou interference fit in the slots. When the bolts are torqued down, the four pole pieces act like collets and firmly squeeze the magnets in place.





The first row of magents goes in quite easily. But then the fun begins. To work properly each row of magnets has to oppose its neighbour. So the magnets want very badly to be anyplace but in the slot where they belong.


Eventually after a lot of cursing, a few large stainless hose clamps, various dowel rods, and a lot of magnets flying out here and there, all magnets are in place.


The 3/8 bolts get 30 ft lb on the torque wrench.





This is where this rotor is going:





And then the whole thing goes back on the test stand:








I ran another set of numbers for this setup, and saw an improvement over just putting the magnets on the rotor facing out.


In the previous test I got 21 hertz, 654 rpm, 600 watts, 110 VAC, 5.5 amps. With the same 600 watts worth of lights as a load, the new rotor gives 120 VAC at 575 rpm. That's about a 25% improvement.


Also with the new rotor there's 12 magnets as opposed to 16 on the old one.


Lots of fun in any case!


Ted.

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Re: Rotor #2 for 1.5 hp conversion
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2005, 01:03:51 PM »
  Thats some mighty fine precision work you have there!  Looking at the pictures, are the magnet poles toward the retainer bolts? or out the top and toward the shaft?  


  Very nice work!


Windstuff Ed

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rotornuts

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Re: Rotor #2 for 1.5 hp conversion
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2005, 01:38:20 PM »
I'm very impressed ted. Is this the submerged magnet rotor you talked about before?
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Re: Rotor #2 for 1.5 hp conversion
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2005, 01:39:39 PM »
Nice work Ted looks great.


You have a small air gap in there to i guess?


Putte.

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monte350c

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Re: Rotor #2 for 1.5 hp conversion
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2005, 02:34:05 PM »
Hi Ed,


The magnets are those 2 x 1 x half inch neos sold by our hosts. The poles face the bolts, and each other, ie North faces North in the next slot etc.


All magnets in one slot face the same way. This serves to make the metal pole pieces into the actual 'magnets' doing the work.


That's why this was such a pain to put together. Honestly it took me almost half an hour to get the last magnet to go into place - the flux around the remaining place in the slot was so strong.


I ended up putting a lot of half inch steel washers all over it to try to 'short out' some of the flux. It worked.


That also helped a lot when it came time to put it in the stator.


Here's a FEMM flux analysis that convinced me to try this in the first place:





Maybe I should stop using this program!!


Though this has been fun and it actually worked too.


Ted.

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monte350c

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Re: Rotor #2 for 1.5 hp conversion
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2005, 02:35:37 PM »
Yes this is the one - finally!


It took a little longer to get together than I had hoped.


Now I need to make some blades and try flying it.


Ted.

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Re: Rotor #2 for 1.5 hp conversion
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2005, 02:37:31 PM »
Hi Putte,


The airgap is .040"


That's over twice what it was when this was a motor - but I didn't feel confident in making much smaller. I wanted a bit of 'wiggle room' in case the machining wasn't perfect, or things moved around when they got hot.


So far so good!


Ted.

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Re: Rotor #2 for 1.5 hp conversion
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2005, 08:34:29 AM »
Beautiful work, Ted.  It's a real inspiration to see this sort of quality coming out of someone's workshop.


Paul

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Re: Rotor #2 for 1.5 hp conversion
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2005, 05:43:50 AM »
All I can say is: OUTSTANDING, I hope that some day I can turn out that kind of quality.

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monte350c

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Re: Rotor #2 for 1.5 hp conversion
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2005, 06:55:25 PM »
Thanks for the vote of confidence guys!


Really I am just having a lot of fun trying out various ideas and it's nice to have some people to bounce this stuff off.


Ted.

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Re: Rotor #2 for 1.5 hp conversion
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2005, 07:36:53 PM »
I am 100% with Dr. D.

Sometime though, this Super high quality stuff throws us little people for a loop, meaning we may not speak up like we should.

Let me speak for all the people who's lathe will not drill a centered hole in a workpiece... Great Job!

We are reading!

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